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Posted 5/21/2006 12:15 PM
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I'm a recent addition to the PDPplanet's DEC-10 system. I have never used TOPS-10 or a PDP-10 for that matter - I'm too young to have ever used them in their heyday. I've downloaded the PDF file listed in the greeting email and have made myself rather comfortable with basic commands such as R SOS, EXECUTE, RUN, DELTE, SYSTATS, and the like.

I can't figure out Kermit though. If I issue a RUN KERMIT it errors out with ?KERMIT.SAV not found. I've attempted to create a dummy KERMIT.SAV file with SOS, but KERMIT knew that it wasn't legitimate so I'm back at square one.

What I'm trying to do is import some files I found on a website into my TOPS-10 space. The files are an old (circa 1975) FORTRAN program and related data files for a Schizophrenia statistics program. I have schizoaffective disorder, something related to schizophrenia, so I'm keenly interested in seeing what the statistics for my disorder looked like in 1975.

Here's the setup. I want to download all files found at http://creaturefeature.darkness.com/schiz/ to my DEC-10 account. I understand KERMIT is the file transfer utility for TOPS-10, but I can't figure out how to make KERMIT work. If one of you could kindly walk a newbie through the process, and please explain the why and what of doing it, I would be very grateful.
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Posted 5/21/2006 12:37 PM
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KERMIT is installed in the system program area, that is, as SYS:KERMIT.EXE, so you need to use the command R KERMIT rather than RUN KERMIT. The latter command assumes that the program you want to run is in your connected directory; you could use the RUN command with an explicit specification, such as

RUN SYS:KERMIT.EXE

but that's what the R command does.

Now, as to your stated goal: Download the files you want from the website to your personal system, then use KERMIT to copy them to the DEC-10. This will require that you have a copy of KERMIT for your personal system as well; use the latter to connect to the DEC-10 and start KERMIT, then give KERMIT the SERVER command and escape back to your system and issue the commands to upload the files.

(KERMIT for Windows is commercial, but they allow a 21-day free evaluation download,
which should be sufficient for this purpose. KERMIT for all other operating systems
is free, to the best of my knowledge.)

I don't have the necessary settings for the personal computer side of the connection memorized, and will have to check them on my desktop at the office tomorrow. You can
download the appropriate package for your system from http://kermit.columbia.edu/ and start reading the documentation on their site, to get ready. You can also get started downloading the FORTRAN files to your system.

Good luck! I'll be in touch again tomorrow.

Rich Alderson
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Posted 5/22/2006 11:44 AM
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Kermit 95 settings for connections to the DEC-10

Run the Kermit Dialer program and create a new connection. The relevant settings are as follows:

Connection type: TCP/IP service
Hostname: dec-10.pdpplanet.com
[next]
Terminal type: VT100
Character size: 7 bits
Character set: ascii
[next]
Protocol: Kermit
Performance: Robust
Default mode: Binary
File char-set: ascii
Xfer char-set: ascii
Collision: Backup
Transfer literal filenames
Clear all other checkboxes
[next]
Telnet settings all OK
[next]
Use default IP address on local machine
Add SOCKS or Proxy servers as required by your ISP
[next]
No TLS settings
[next]
Backspace sends Delete
Enter sends Carriage Return
[next]
No LOGIN information
[next]
No PRINTER information
[next]
No LOG information
[next]
GUI settings to your own taste, but be sure to use a monospaced font like Courier
[save]

(This should all make sense when you see the Dialer program.)

Double-click on the connection you've set up (save it to the desktop if you like), and you're ready to
transfer files between your system and the DEC-10.

If you have problems, send e-mail to sysadmin@pdpplanet.com for quicker response.

Rich Alderson
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Posted 5/24/2006 1:07 PM
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I believe I've figured it out, thanks to Kermit 95. I can kermit into my own machine locally through loopback, but it would seem the DEC-10's system prompt is hung right now. Otherwise, I'd have my files transferred already.

Is the system prompt hung or is it just my connection?
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Posted 6/9/2006 9:48 AM
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Thanks to Rich's help, I have gotten the files I want to put on the DEC-10 on the DEC-10. We had a little problem with it, but setting parity to even on the server cleared all that up.

Thanks Rich.
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Posted 6/9/2006 10:00 AM
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I'm glad I could help, and I'm sorry that it took so long for me to remember the server-side part of the setup. To re-cap for those looking on, the way to get a Kermit transfer to work smoothly on the DEC-10 side is to issue the commands

.R KERMIT
KERMIT-10>SET PARITY EVEN
KERMIT-10>SERVER
then escape back to the PC side of the connection and transfer files as needed. Finish the session either with a
BYE
command from the PC, which will log off the remote end, or connect back to the DEC-10 and type
^C^C
to return to the Tops-10 dot prompt.

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